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Disturbing Things My 17-Year-Old Daughter Shared About Her Own Experiences in Children’s Church and Youth Groups…
My 17 year old daughter (who recently turned 18) made some comments to me, a couple of months before my most recent spinal surgery (which happened on September 2, 2014), about what she learned, and experienced, in her own lifetime of attending Children’s Churches and Youth Groups in the Word-of-Faith, Non-denominational, and other Seeker-Friendly “churches” we attended over the years (we no longer even darken the doorway of those types of places). What she said was STUNNING, to me!
Before I tell you what she actually said (she did give me permission to share her thoughts on my blog), I have to say that this REALLY hit me HARD, as a parent, and starkly pointed out MY OWN SHORTCOMINGS and SINFULNESS of not teaching my children about WHAT I believed, and WHY I believed what I believed (which, really, could be a blessing, as it would have just probably confused them)! It also made me realize my own lack of ever being properly discipled, or catechized (which has only happened much more recently), in the infancy of my own faith in Christ .
How could I have even taught them, that which I could not explain, myself?! I really did not know WHY I believed any of what I believed over the years…! I really was living on the “blind faith” that what I was taught must be true, because the people I was trusting, made it seem like it was right, and they called themselves Christians and Pastors (which, by the way, is NOT the Faith spoken of, in God’s Word).
First, my daughter told me that, up until a couple of years ago, the only things she could remember, that she knew came from the Bible was, “a story about some lady, who put a red ‘something’ on one of her doors, or a window, or something, for some reason” (this would most likely be a reference to Rahab, the prostitute, who was part of the lineage that pointed to Jesus). She also said she remembered “a story about some guy, at some time, that tricked his dad into thinking that he was his brother, by putting fur on his arm. The end.” Wow, that was really something helpful to know…
Also, up until about 3 years ago, she did not even know that there was more than one book in the Bible (she just thought it was all one big, confusing book, that others could understand, but she could not)!
Next, she told me that pretty much everything else she remembered was playing games, making crafts, watching various videos, singing fun feel-good songs (and plugging her ears because it was always too loud), temporarily learning some Bible verses – with no context or reason for why she was learning them, of course (none of which she even knows what they were), having snacks, and being picked on, teased, or just plain ignored (because yes, she is a bit “different”, and it does show, especially in larger group settings that have way too much sensory stimulation).
That’s it! That is all she got out of being in Children’s Church, and Youth Groups, all these years! What a waste of precious time, and energy (it is NOT easy getting 3 kiddos, that have special needs, out the door to get to church on time)!!! Not to mention all of the MONEY wasted and volunteer time wasted, at these churches! And we wonder WHY we are LOSING our children to the secular world and/or false teachers (whether these teachers call themselves Christians, or not)?!
These are the “impressions” that these “seeker-sensitive” models, of the visible “church” are giving so many children. NOT anything that the Holy Spirit can even work through, because they are not even hearing actual Bible passages that are related to each other (and their significance to Christ explained), or being called to repentance of their sin (by hearing God’s Law), and then comforted by the Gospel! My kiddos, AND myself and husband, should have probably just stayed at home, slept in, and enjoyed some family time together…! We would have ALL received more from that, than we did in ANY of these churches. Sad, but oh so very true.
Just in case you are wondering, this is no longer the case with her, OR any of the rest of us in the family! We are now in a SOLID church. The Pastors have actually spent one-on-one time with us at the church, at hospitals, and even in our own home (all within the last year, and we have only been members since March of this year)! Also, we learn a LOT in the Sunday Bible Class (in which the two teens attend the Adult Bible Class, with us), after the Divine Service (which is filled with people in ALL the various stages of life, from infancy to old age, and is also filled with Bible teaching and receiving God’s gifts to us every week).
Our Pastors have helped us to read the Bible for what it actually plainly says, in its own context. If the Bible is silent on something, they are silent on it also. No more “dancing around” our questions, or ripping verses out of context to just “paste them all together” to make them say what is wanted (and not what is actually needed), or just plain ignoring or avoiding our questions altogether (which has happened at pretty much all of the other churches we had attended over the previous 19 years).
Again, I praise God for calling us OUT of these places, and keeping us THROUGH the fires of testing!
2) your Pastor does not comfort you with the gospel of what Jesus Christ did for you, after he has hit you with God’s laws.
3) your Pastor puts his own “vision” for your church above what God’s commands are for a New Testament church.
4) there can be no distractions in church in order to hear the words of the teacher/preacher, rather than whole families in church to hear the reading & teaching of whole passages of Scripture… in their original context!
5) the Pastor teaches you his own “vision” and rules, as if they were God’s law (ask to see it in context, in Scripture).
6) you are pushed into signing “commitment cards” for things not found in Scripture (usually after emotional manipulation in a “sermon”).
7) you are pressured into “serving the church”, even if it means detriment to your vocations in life at this present time (father, mother, husband, wife, daughter, son, citizen, employee/employer, student, etc.)!
8) your “pastor’s” emphasis is pretty much on having your best life now (what will your afterlife be like..? ***shudder***).
9) your “Pastor” takes the Lord’s name in vain (ie. “OMG”) without even skipping a beat…!
10) you rarely seek, in times of distress, comfort from others in your church, out of fear of having a “negative confession” (this is what was previously known as superstition)!
Just some thoughts as I watch what is happening in much of the “visible” church in this world… I feel a possible “series” of posts coming on, after my LONG hiatus!
A Letter from Kabwata
I must admit that I have been a bit flabbergasted, these last few months, at how BRAZEN the Prosperity/Word-Faith teachers have become, as of late. I have also been pondering on how to talk about this in a more loving way than how I naturally react inside myself to these things I watch happening. These “leaders/teachers” (I do refuse to call them Pastors, as they do not qualify for that role according to the Scriptures) are actually letting their “true colors” (New Age / Pagan roots) be seen by all…!
Sadly, I was once in this very camp, and am still mortified by this, at times. Regardless, I am most grateful and humbled that The LORD saw fit to slap me upside my head…! He woke me up to the fact that I really had just slid from my New Age Spirituality, Witchcraft, and Law of Attraction camp (actually calling it, for what it really was), into EXACTLY the same things in the Word-of-Faith, Prosperity, and Positive-Affirmation camp (although there, it was “cloaked” in Christian sounding terms)!
The link to the article below was “the straw that broke the camel’s back” for me, very recently. It shows just how MUCH the visible “church” has let things “slide” (in order to be “accepted” and liked by the world)… Oprah will be opening for a conference that is being billed as a “Family-friendly Christian” event? Really…?
Additionally, the visible church has continued to lower their view on the Authority of Scripture, and what is ACTUALLY said, and to WHOM in The Bible. WHO is the Bible actually about (hint: it is NOT about YOU, and how you can actually live out the life of a Bible “character”)? We need to get back into keeping things in context, Context, CONTEXT!
Finally, they do not even take into account the TYPE of literature that each book and/or chapter of the Bible is written in! Any other form of written literature would NEVER be treated the way that God’s Word is treated by these people, secular society, or even the Church-at-large…!
Have we really lost the ability, as Christians, to think in a logically consistent, and doctrinal manner (as the Bible tells us to do, by REASONING one with another)? Instead, we are craving and running after the emotional “highs” in every wind of doctrine, dynamic motivational teachers, and anyone else who just “claims” to be a Christian or had a “vision” of some kind… Just like the rest of the unregenerate world… We are no longer a “people set apart”, on the whole.
Christ TOLD us (MORE than once) that the Old Testament Scriptures are about, and point to HIM! Why do we keep ignoring that fact? If we study/read only the New Testament (or portions of it), we have an incomplete Bible!
The day my eyes were really opened to this, and I began reading the Scriptures that way (SEEING the many types and shadows of Jesus, and WHY many were looking forward to The Messiah, and that we each NEED a propitiation for our sins, and that all of those “Bible stories” also show us the genealogy of The Messiah and that they are NOT stories (or promises to me, personally) for ME to pattern my life after…), was the day that almost ALL Scripture began to REALLY make SENSE and has only served to increase my sense of wonder and Faith. I can see God’s “signature” ALL OVER the pages of Scripture, and that there is NO WAY that ordinary human beings “came up with it to “control” the masses” (a lie I believed many years ago)…!
~[Jesus speaking] You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life. I do not receive glory from people. (John 5:39-41 ESV)
~And he [Jesus] said to them, “O foolish ones, and slow of heart to believe all that the prophets have spoken! Was it not necessary that the Christ should suffer these things and enter into his glory?” And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he interpreted to them in all the Scriptures the things concerning himself. (Luke 24:25-27 ESV)
~Then he [Jesus, after His resurrection] said to them, “These are my words that I spoke to you while I was still with you, that everything written about me in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms must be fulfilled.” Then he opened their minds to understand the Scriptures, and said to them, “Thus it is written, that the Christ should suffer and on the third day rise from the dead, and that repentance and forgiveness of sins should be proclaimed in his name to all nations, beginning from Jerusalem. You are witnesses of these things. And behold, I am sending the promise of my Father upon you. But stay in the city until you are clothed with power from on high.” (Luke 24:44-49 ESV)
My prayer is that MANY more souls will actually see this in the reading of their Bible, and have their minds opened in this way also!
May the Peace that only The Lord can give (shalom), be with you,
Wow… This was very good, and something I have experienced, and am still experiencing, first-hand within my own extended family. I hope that Christian parents, and those who care about the upcoming generation in our churches, will read this and take it to heart!
Please read and think on this! Seriously…..!
We all know them, the kids who were raised in church. They were stars of the youth group. They maybe even sang in the praise band or led worship. And then… they graduate from High School and they leave church. What happened?
It seems to happen so often that I wanted to do some digging; To talk to these kids and get some honest answers. I work in a major college town with a large number of 20-somethings. Nearly all of them were raised in very typical evangelical churches. Nearly all of them have left the church with no intention of returning. I spend a lot of time with them and it takes very little to get them to vent, and I’m happy to listen. So, after lots of hours spent in coffee shops and after buying a few lunches, here are the most common thoughts taken from dozens of…
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For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ. Now I want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that Jesus, who saved a people out of the land of Egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe. And the angels who did not stay within their own position of authority, but left their proper dwelling, he has kept in eternal chains under gloomy darkness until the judgment of the great day— just as Sodom and Gomorrah and the surrounding cities, which likewise indulged in sexual immorality and pursued unnatural desire, serve as an example by undergoing a punishment of eternal fire. Yet in like manner these people also, relying on their dreams, defile the flesh, reject authority, and blaspheme the glorious ones. But when the archangel Michael, contending with the devil, was disputing about the body of Moses, he did not presume to pronounce a blasphemous judgment, but said, “The Lord rebuke you.” But these people blaspheme all that they do not understand, and they are destroyed by all that they, like unreasoning animals, understand instinctively. Woe to them! For they walked in the way of Cain and abandoned themselves for the sake of gain to Balaam’s error and perished in Korah’s rebellion. ~Jude 4-11 ESV (emphasis, mine)
I come to all of you, with a very heavy heart and under great conviction, right now.
Back in August of 2010, I did an online radio program testimony, that is probably still “out there” on the internet “somewhere”… It was my story of getting out of Neo-Paganism and New Age spirituality, and then, sliding right on into the Word-of-Faith movement, as a brand new Christian. I then was able to gradually, by reading God’s Word for myself, get out of the WOF, also. Unfortunately, at the time of that interview, my mind still was not totally out of all of the erroneous teachings that I had learned while in the WOF church, and under those teachings. I am sure I will continue to find even more of those beliefs, that may still be lingering in my mind, as I continue in The Lord’s Word.
The teaching that I am apologizing, and publicly repenting for, is that of railing against the devil, and his demons. I cannot, in good conscience, say that there is a solid biblical precedence for doing such things, if the scriptures cited by those teachers are taken in their full context! If even the archangel Michael (in his undefiled form) as a finite (a created being, having a beginning), but glorious angelic creation of God‘s, dared not to do this… I do not think that it is any coincidence that this little, but powerfully packed, book of Jude is placed right before The Revelation with its many strong warnings, to us! What in the world made me think that I should do such a thing?! The only thing I could come up with was a deafening, resounding answer… It was my own irreverence, arrogance, and PRIDE! One of the things God hates the MOST!
There are six things that the Lord hates, seven that are an abomination to him: haughty eyes, a lying tongue, and hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked plans, feet that make haste to run to evil, a false witness who breathes out lies, and one who sows discord among brothers. ~Proverbs 6:16-19 ESV (emphasis, mine)
As a matter of fact, looking back, pretty much everything I learned (and allowed myself to continue to believe, and “buy into”), in that church (and the teachers they subscribed to), was from a self-centered, feel-good, prideful, arrogant, man-centered, scripture-twisting, meetings out-of-order and chaotic, chasing after signs/wonders/miracles/visions, point-of-view (may sound harsh, but it is the truth)…! Even now, when I happen to hear any of these types of preachers on the TV, radio, or internet, I am continually appalled at the lack of humility, or any semblance of a reverential fear of The Lord! The longer I have been out of the WOF, and into The Word of God, the more I see it.
Also, I helplessly watch how the errors inherent in these teachings, and the “different” false Jesus that they offer, ruins the minds, hearts, and spirits of so many of those who follow, previously followed, or just happen to “run into” these false teachers. So many of these damaged, and broken, people are practically unreachable, because of the inherent spiritual abuse, Neuro-Linguistic Programming, longings for a “Word from the Lord” (outside of the Bible), dependency on “feelings” and emotions, the addiction of chasing “signs and wonders”, and sometimes even deep brainwashing (mind control) that they have gone through! It is an ongoing, dark, and terrible, travesty…!
One thing that these misled individuals REALLY need to know, is the following truth:
And what I am doing I will continue to do, in order to undermine the claim of those who would like to claim that in their boasted mission they work on the same terms as we do. For such men are false apostles, deceitful workmen, disguising themselves as apostles of Christ. And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light. So it is no surprise if his servants, also, disguise themselves as servants of righteousness. Their end will correspond to their deeds. ~2 Corinthians 11:12-15 ESV (emphasis, mine)
I daresay, and testify, that since totally abandoning the practice of “railing” (along with teaching my children to stop this, also), the demonic activity, AND horrific nightmares, have almost COMPLETELY come to a halt in our household (after so many years of wasted, railing battles)! What we DO need to do is continue to be subject and obedient to The Lord, continuously keep on the armor of God, and proceed in His righteousness!
I (and my children) now simply either say, “The LORD rebuke you” (following the archangel Michael’s example), or simply call on the name of Jesus Christ!
It IS a battle we are in, but it is a “different” kind of battle. An individual, spiritual battle. Not a battle where we need to shout, and rail against the devil and his demons. It is a battle to keep ourselves (through the help of the Holy Spirit within us) in the ways that are listed in the scriptures below. It is from a place of making sure that we are in right-standing subjection and obedience to The Lord, that we are even able to resist the devil, so that he cannot get an easy foothold (or open doorway) into our lives.
You adulterous people! Do you not know that friendship with the world is enmity with God? Therefore whoever wishes to be a friend of the world makes himself an enemy of God. Or do you suppose it is to no purpose that the Scripture says, “He yearns jealously over the spirit that he has made to dwell in us”? But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud, but gives grace to the humble.” Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded. Be wretched and mourn and weep. Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to gloom. Humble yourselves before the Lord, and he will exalt you. ~James 4:4-10 ESV (emphasis, mine)
Besides this you know the time, that the hour has come for you to wake from sleep. For salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed. The night is far gone; the day is at hand. So then let us cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of light. Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy. But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires. ~Romans 13:11-14 ESV (emphasis, mine)
Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might. Put on the whole armor of God, that you may be able to stand against the schemes of the devil. For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the cosmic powers over this present darkness, against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly places. Therefore take up the whole armor of God, that you may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand firm. Stand therefore, having fastened on the belt of truth, and having put on the breastplate of righteousness, and, as shoes for your feet, having put on the readiness given by the gospel of peace. In all circumstances take up the shield of faith, with which you can extinguish all the flaming darts of the evil one; and take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God, praying at all times in the Spirit, with all prayer and supplication. To that end keep alert with all perseverance, making supplication for all the saints, ~Ephesians 6:10-18 ESV (emphasis, mine)
It really is simple, yet not always easy to do. With the help of the Holy Spirit, though, it does get easier, as each day goes by.
Even if after all of this, I find that the Lord lets the devil have his way with me, I now know that it is only to keep me humble (not just because I did not have “enough faith”, or I am “not doing something quite right”, or I do not have the “right positive confession” or “life verse”, or a myriad of “other” reasons I was given, by the WOF followers, and leaders), and to refine me by fire (to see if I really do stand with God), like silver is refined to become pure.
The crucible is for silver, and the furnace is for gold, and the Lord tests hearts. ~Proverbs 17:3 ESV
First, apologies to my “regulars”! The past four to five months have been both harrowing, and very physically painful… I have learned a lot about how our spines work, and what can happen when something is NOT working right! I also learned a lot about our medical system… The good (even sometimes great), the bad (sometimes horrible), AND the ugly (what it is like to have to be totally dependent – even in toileting… Yikes)!
I went from a very active, spur-of-the-moment woman, to feeling like I was almost twice my age! I was rapidly reduced to only being able to walk with a wheeled walker, when two canes were no longer enough! Actually, my Neurosurgeon said that when they opened my spine up, they all gasped, and she could not believe I was still able to walk, AT ALL! It was only by The Grace of God, and the tenacity He has given me, because I was in SEVERE pain with every move I made!
Anyway, if you want to see what happened from my spine operation (which was on October 28th), forward, here is the link where my husband and I put updates about the experience, for friends and family… It starts just before the surgery, and I still update it, periodically. http://www.caringbridge.org/visit/annettehobart/
So, I am now still in the healing process, and ready to start blogging, again. If you just hang in there, with me, I do have a couple of blog posts I am already working on. One, having to do with believers in Christ needing to use critical thinking skills, and the other on some of my other past experiences. I have also realized that I need to continue our family story of how we arrived at where we are now, in the first place!
Hmmmm… I better get busy this next week… One thing about it is, I DO have to sit a lot, with all of my restrictions from the surgery. Now that my pain medications have been able to be reduced to a low roar, my mind-fog is also beginning to clear! So…. I guess I may as well be blogging! I can do that while sitting in the same room with my kiddos! 🙂
Hope to be posting something very soon!
First, let me say that I am not here to be calling out any names, or to try to “bring down” any ministries, right now! I only hope to provide information to shed some light on teachings that are in error, and to show people the real Jesus Christ, of the Scriptures of the Holy Bible.
I do need to say some things, to my brothers and sisters in Christ, about some misconceptions of so MANY of the people who are caught up in the Word Faith movement and/or Prosperity Gospel, because that is exactly what it is – they have been “snared”!
We really need to have a loving heart for those caught in that deception… It is, many times, like being raised by a highly dysfunctional parent!
Most get caught for one or more of the following reasons:
1) they were raised in a dead church (not teaching GOD’s Law and GOD’s Gospel) that did not emphasize, or teach them how to properly read and study the Word of God, OR
2) they have never been taught what a Christian has historically believed since the time of the resurrection, and ascension of Christ, and WHY they believed it (they need to know what they believe, and why they believe it! DOCTRINE DOES MATTER!), OR
3) they are still an unbeliever who wandered in to a WOF church – got caught up in all the emotion (the whole experience in one of these churches is a highly charged, emotional experience) – and just stayed, waiting for the next emotional “high” (or a promised “prophecy” to come to pass), and never learned anything else, OR
4) they are brand-new Christians floundering, by themselves, and looking for direction (which was my case), OR
5) they were born and raised in it, and know nothing else, but what they have been taught for their whole life.
Many of these church members really do not know anything else! They really do NOT need to be made fun of, or belittled. What they need is sound doctrine, instruction, to be shown the Truth, and MERCY!
You see, I did not have the luxury of even knowing the Scriptures, yet, or that I could really even understand them if I were taught properly (I just couldn’t seem to figure out how the teachers I was listening to, at that time, were able to figure out, and come to the conclusions that they did in their sermons. It was all highly confusing to me, but seemed to “make sense” when they taught it), back when I was snared…
I was a brand-new Christian, floundering on my own, coming out of neo-Paganism and New Age teachings. I was previously a witch, tarot card reader, into yoga, entrenched in ISA (previously known as EST), into clothing-optional gatherings, dabbled in Buddhism, dabbled in Reiki and crystal healing, read and believed much of “A Course in Miracles” (before it was made “popular” by Oprah), I was a jewelry maker of “commitment bands” (which I sold to gay couples) and crystal jewelry (I “charged” those with spells and sold them at new-age and pagan festivals), into all the positive thinking stuff, HATED Christians and what I perceived as their belief system, etc., etc., etc. Then this, sadly, was the first kind of “church” I ended up in… See, if you do not have proper teaching in Christian doctrine (which is the state of MOST of the people in this movement), it is very EASY to get sucked into it…!
I remember the first service I attended, and sitting there thinking, “Cool, I used to do this stuff for Satan’s team (the positive thinking stuff, visualization, tongues, positive confession, “listening” for messages to share, etc.), but NOW I am on the RIGHT team, and I can do it for Jesus!” ***sigh***
We were never really encouraged to read, and properly taught HOW to read the Word, and how to pick a GOOD, actual, translation (it was given lip-service, but there was never any instruction on how to even begin). We just flipped from scripture to scripture, along with the pastor during emotionally-charged meetings and teachings, and the way he did it really made it seem “right”! I read all the books the pastor said to read (which, of course, were sold in the book store that the church had), got all the tapes he said to listen to, and listened to all the teachers on TBN that he said were good to watch.
It was not until I had some run-ins with some of the “leadership” (in the children’s church), the pastor, the pastor’s wife, and some of the “ushers” (more like “bouncers”, in a bar), and some emotional abuse done to my two eldest children, that we finally quit going to that church. You see, I realize looking back, I was not a really “good” cult-member (I began questioning things, and saying “no” to them). One of the “ushers” even kept calling my house, and coming to my door (always during times when my husband was not there – I did not answer either one), after we quit going. You see, that is one of the ways that they “get” people, and “counsel” other family members to get a “backsliding” family member to “get out of sin” (sin usually being – questioning anything the leadership in the congregation says or does), and “keep” them in the church (and keep getting their tithes and offerings, of course)…
I first proceeded to wean myself OFF of the books, tapes, and TV messages… Also, I began to read and listen to the Bible, IN CONTEXT! Wow, were MY eyes opened up to the depth of the deception I had been in, and how the scriptures had all been taken out of context, and twisted around to sound “right”! Then, I began to be able to (by the Grace of our LORD, and the help of the Holy Spirit) get out from under ALL of it (the Paganism, the New Age thinking, AND the Word of Faith teachings – which are ALSO “New Age” teachings)!
This change has NOT happened overnight, but The Lord has been FAITHFUL in the “renewing of my mind”! It has been a LONG journey, and I cannot even pinpoint the moment I really realized that I was getting OUT of all of it… There was, and still is, a LOT of JUNK, in my mind, to get rid of!
Also, please note, one of the BIG teachings (mentioned in almost every sermon) in WOF is to “touch not, the Lord’s anointed” (taken out of context, of course, and construed to mean the leadership of their church, or one of the big-name celebrity leaders/teachers), thus, conveniently making it close to impossible to question ANYTHING that the pastors, or visiting pastors, might say or do, because if you do, you stand the chance of being CURSED BY GOD, and who in their right mind wants THAT to happen…?! These are just SOME of the ways in which these churches are very cult-like, and spiritually abusive… They are even very careful (which would not be a “bad” thing, IF they were Orthodox) about the wording of the songs they sing in church (even sometimes changing the words in good, solid, traditional hymns – like getting rid of the word “wretch” in “Amazing Grace”!), so as to not accidentally have a “negative confession” of some kind, about themselves, in the song…! Continual bondage, not Grace! 😦
If you run into WOF people (most will go on the defensive, and actually be AFRAID to even question what they have been taught), and IF they begin (Lord willing) to REALIZE that they have been deceived, PLEASE know that they will need to go through a mourning process! This can take a very short, or very LONG amount of time. They are really hurting!
It HURTS to find out you’ve been believing in a “false Jesus” (more like a genie, magic 8-ball, or a Santa figure…), and that you may not even be a Christian! There can be sadness, anger, anxiety, euphoria (I had that, after I realized I did NOT have to worry about every single little word coming out of my mouth having the possibility of CURSING my whole life, or to make SURE I tithed on every PENNY that came into our household, even to the detriment of being able to pay our bills! There is SO MUCH BONDAGE in the WOF!), withdrawal, fear of being deceived again, etc.
Please remember the following verse, and realize that most people coming out of this type of teaching usally need the MERCY part, but sometimes they need to be snatched out of the fire, so as to not possibly lose them PERMANENTLY!
But you, beloved, ought to remember the words that were spoken beforehand by the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ, that they were saying to you, “In the last time there will be mockers, following after their own ungodly lusts.” These are the ones who cause divisions, worldly-minded, devoid of the Spirit. But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith, praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God, waiting anxiously for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ to eternal life. And have mercy on some, who are doubting; save others, snatching them out of the fire; and on some have mercy with fear, hating even the garment polluted by the flesh.
Now to him who is able to keep you from stumbling and to present you blameless before the presence of his glory with great joy, to the only God, our Savior, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, dominion, and authority, before all time and now and forever. Amen. (Jude 1:24-25 ESV)
Okay, I guess I am done, for now…
Below, you will find three talks that are really very good at explaining what WOF preachers teach, how they teach it, and explanations of how they use the scriptures, and twist them around. He is NOT a crazily raving, rabid, speaker. He teaches it in a very matter-of-fact way, so that you can know what people in this movement are talking about, and possibly find ways to talk to them about what they are being taught.